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Two moves that proved successful

Postby Cactus Jack » Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:46 am

I had an opportunity to test out two moves yesterday that were very, very nice indeed.

First move:

I was in the BB with 5 left. Button mini-raised and I called with something like 94. Flop came out with an A. I bet the pot. Button thought about it and folded.

When I called, I planned to bet any flop. What was I doing and what's it called?

Second move:

This one worked a number of times, after having raised an opponent in position. It has quickly become my favorite move.

I checked the flop that missed me and my opponent and bet the turn. Most times opponents expect a bet on the flop. When they check the turn and get hit with a pot sized bet, they tend to fold rather easily, sometimes when they are ahead. The key is the check on the flop. This is a delayed continuation bet. A Daniel Negraneau specialty.

Both of these are great moves in the right places, when opponents are tight/weak and you need to steal a pot. They work on ONE opponent, however. The first could have been used in the current study hand, but not with two opponents in the hand.

Have fun experiementing with these.

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Postby EscapePlan9 » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:06 am

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Postby Cactus Jack » Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:35 pm

Escape, the first one is not similar to a stop and go. It IS a stop and go. :) There was a great thread on 2+2 where Greg Fossilman Raymer explained it, and it's in Harrington's book, of course. It works beautifully, in the right place.

The second, the delayed continuation, is absolutely the most elegant play I've ever run across. I used it time and again, yesterday, and nobody caught on. First, most have never seen it, and second, it's totally disguised. I played this hand with the most worthless cards you could ask for and took the pot. If an opponent bets the flop, you simply raise it, as if you were trapping all the time. He has a helluva time putting you on a hand. It's beautiful.

You simply can't depend on having the goods every time. I'm notoriously tight. I don't play garbage hands very often. But I'm working hard on learning how and when to make moves which allow me to win chips without a hand. At the limits we play, bluffs are common. Most times they are naked bluffs. Guys crash and burn in EP betting garbage, but folding decent hands when they are outplayed by someone who knows what they're doing. It's very cool to know you've screwed a guy and he has no clue. Definitely makes the game more fun. And very much more profitable.

Anybody else have favorite moves?

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Postby EscapePlan9 » Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:56 pm

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Postby MTPaid » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:41 pm

No! It's a Phil Helmuth!!! My next move is when you drop the f'bomb on the tournament director 4x in less than 30 seconds and take a 40 minute penalty. I call this one the Mike Matusow. I know this is the wrong thread for this, but I had to. A little humor never hurts and it's the best thing on TV.
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:44 pm

I haven't been keeping up to date with the WSOP. I've lost almost all interest in it. All-in versus all-in. Ho-hum. I already know the probabilities of who will win, so why are we watching this?
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Postby Cactus Jack » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:20 am

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Postby flafishy » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:34 am

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Postby Cactus Jack » Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:21 am

Yes, indeed, flafishy. Harrington helped my game a lot. Another move I make, besides calling the CO with 85 and five limpers in front of me--my goodness, 5:1 with 2 or 3 more implied bets behind me, those are great odds--is I'm sometimes raising with any 2 behind a bunch of limpers. Many times I take it down right there and stack a nice little batch of chips for nothing. Then, if some of them come along with me, I'll throw out a half pot c-bet and that often does it when the raise doesn't. This is also when Negreneau's check/bet turn continuation bet works brilliantly.

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Postby Cactus Jack » Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:24 am

Yes, indeed, flafishy. Harrington helped my game a lot. Another move I make, besides calling the CO with 85 and five limpers in front of me--my goodness, 5:1 with 2 or 3 more implied bets behind me, those are great odds--is I'm sometimes raising with any 2 behind a bunch of limpers. Many times I take it down right there and stack a nice little batch of chips for nothing. Then, if some of them come along with me, I'll throw out a half pot c-bet and that often does it when the raise doesn't. This is also when Negreneau's check/bet turn continuation bet works brilliantly.

I think somewhere in Vol 1, I remember reading this from Harrington: In real estate it's location, location, location. In hold 'em, it's position, position, position.

Have you noticed some of our opposition is starting to understand this? Now, if we really work on post-flop play, we're still out in front of them. :)

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