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What would you do? (Bubble situation)

Postby Triple B » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:29 am

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Postby EscapePlan9 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:21 am

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Postby Cactus Jack » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:32 am

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Postby EscapePlan9 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:10 am

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Postby briachek » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:28 pm

its a push or stop and go. No other option as you can't fold at this point.

If you do a stop and go, you will be putting in a pot sized bet on the flop. So it depends on the raiser. If he is the type to likely have just Ax or KQ, push preflop. If he is more likely to have a pocket pair, do a stop and go and hope there are danger cards for him on the flop to get him to fold even if you don't hit.
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Postby Cardman » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:35 pm

This one is easy....ALL IN BROTHER!!

any legit raise and you are all in anyway, calling invites troublesome flop decisions (especially when chances are it will miss you!)....folding is way way too weak here given that 3rd is no gimme (based on the guy behind you not too far back and your M being under 10)..and you are playing for #1 anyway!....

PUSH IT and hope he has AJ or something....if he has a low pair, call TAILS!
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Postby flafishy » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:42 pm

ME, TOO!

All-in. Frankly, I hope everyone folds.
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Postby Triple B » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:57 pm

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Postby briachek » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:08 pm

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Postby Cactus Jack » Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:36 am

Happens all the time like this and it sucks to go out 4th with a small stack in critical condition. What should we learn here, aside from poker happens? This should reinforce to us that T-H-E is not a drawing game and AK is a drawing hand. :)

I still have all the money I've made when my Mighty Ducks have destroyed AK. :D

Pushing was no doubt the proper thing to do. It was +EV. Shows to go you that you don't win every time and you always get the best hands out of position. :lol:

Sorry about that, chief.

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Postby EscapePlan9 » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:00 pm

I think it's too results-oriented to say "stop-n-go would have been better" now.

You have AKs and do not mind being called all-in pre-flop, you are most likely in a dominating situation. Here you had a fair amount of fold equity as well. If he weren't such a big stack, he might have laid down the 6's. I think you should only be usually stop-n-go's in very exceptional circumstances - and one of them being you really do not want to be called.
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Postby briachek » Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:02 pm

I usually push all in too but I think a stop and go is a very effective tooll when you have enough chips to put in a real bet on the flop.

There are a few scenarios you could be in on the flop

1) You both hit - it doesn't matter, the money was going in anyway

2) You hit and he doesn't - he folds but you win the pot. You don't fully double up but at this point on the bubble, survival is much more important

3) He hits and you don't - once again, doesn't matter as the money was going in anyway

4) You both miss - if the flop is dangerous, you can get him to lay down the best hand like a pocket pair. If he misses too, he will have a hard time calling and if he does, you are a bigger favorite.

5) He hits small piece and you miss - you may still get him to fold. If the flop is QJ3 and he has A3, can he really call you?

I know you want to get chips but you have enough to cause him problems and hurt him. You may not fully double up like you would have if you pushed and won but by pulling a stop and go, you may win with an inferior hand that would have lost and gives you a better chance for surival on the bubble.

(ps. this isn't results oriented as i did say I like the stop and go before the results were posted. It would have worked this time, right? :D )
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