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Postby mtx » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:02 pm

Someone please tell me how to win in online poker. Ive played for a year and I am progressively getting worse and worse. I was down $1600 about a month ago but I'm close to being down $2300 now. Thankfully this does NOT include the bonus $$ I have earned. Without the fkin bonus $$ I'd be begging my ass on the streets.. Without the fkin bonus $$ I Wouldn't have this new 19" LCD to multitable ..In the past, clearing bonuses were just routine and I'd always break even or make some profit too. Now I'm going down $100 even after I get the bonus. The higher the stakse I play, the more $ I lose. I usually don't lose much in 1/2, but PT still says I am down in 1/2 and there are fewer and fewer bonuses that can be done at 1/2. Thus I have to move onto 2/4 and 3/6, where I take an even more catastrophic hit.

Honestly I don't think it's the way I play (could be, but not close to being 100% the scapegoat), but rather the cards and the fuckin SHITTY luck I get. It's not the lack of awesome hands I get dealt, but the lack of results that is killing my bankroll. I usually play 6-8 tables and it's impossible to go up when you're down in more than half of the tables. I get dealt JJ QQ KK AA (which should be no-brainers) and I end up losing more money on those cards than making money, so how the hell am I suppose to becoming a winning players if those cards dont do jackshit but bring you down even more? I'm talking a span of several weeks here on DIFFERENT poker sites (Martins, Party, PokerStars, Crypto, PokerRoom, Hollywood).

Is it the way Im playing? Im not perfect, but I am in no way close to those faggots who call every hand to the river. I'm super-tight semi-aggressive, I choose my hands wisely and I dont make stupid plays with stupid hands but this is all meaningless if you dont win the hand. How the hell do you win if the site dont give you a chance?

Im not going on a rant because I just went on a bad run, Im going on a rant because this run has lasted me more than a month and it's getting to the point where nothing matters. I've taken a one week break already, it makes no difference. I've read one book, Winning Low Limit Holdem by Lee Jones already, and there is just no FKING way I lose more money AFTER reading the book than before. I got this book ~5 months ago and thats when my bad run started. Any dumbass retard can read the book and still break even at least but I go down even more after reading a book? Completely unreal....

And then there's this crap called variance that everyone gives as a reason.. if poker games are so "variant", then I wouldnt be losing 6 tables and winning 2.....and I wouldnt be winning at all 8 tables too....nope, I fking lose at all 8 tables.. if that's called variance then there is no way of winning for me..
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Postby The Golden 1 » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:09 pm

Post some stats (if you use PT, as that big a multitabler I assume you do) and some hand histories maybe. You also may need to tone down the number of tables too, as it maybe too much to keep track of.
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Postby mtx » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:23 pm

When I post my PT stats, I will be criticized very harshly :lol:

But that is what I am here for :)
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Postby mtx » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:26 pm

Here's my main PT screen:



And these losses dont include the hands that are NOT being tracked (i.e. I play on the PokerRoom network a lot via their Java client and the hundreds i lost playing @ B2B)...



I didn't realize my VP$IP dropped to 11%.....2 months ago it was at 17%.....
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Postby redhouse » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:55 pm

You seem to be a rock. 10% is far too few hands to be playing. On top of that you're only going to showdown 27% of the time with those hands. This has two effects
a) You're folding a lot of potential winners
b) When you win, you don't win much because people know you have the goods.

You're also not defending blinds enough. And your agression stats are very poor.

So basically you're playing only the absolute best hands but you're not playing them strongly. It may seem like you're not playing badly because you're only playing good hands and only betting when you make a hand, but this lack of aggression is absolutely fatal. You really need to open up your game. Even a maniac will win sometimes (and win big) when he gets lucky. A strategy like this will win very small amounts at best.

Don't take any of this personally. I recommend re-reading the Lee Jones book and also Miller's SSHE. Play just one table and analyze the game even when you aren't involved until you're comfortable with making reads, figuring odds, factoring position into your play, all that good stuff.

Post hands. That really helps in clearing up doubt about the right plays to make. Most passive play comes from doubt.

One more thing - Start at the bottom. I see you've been playing limits up to 5/10. You really should be playing the micros until you build a solid game. It'll also teach you to handle the occasions where you get complete nut jobs at the higher stakes. It may seem like the money isn't worth the time invested, but you'll get paid for that time when you improve your game and move up.
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Postby Kuso » Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:41 am

red said most of what i want to say.

i'd just add that 1/2 might be good for clearing bonuses until you get your game sorted out. i also like the idea of REALLY studying SSHE and online articles by Ed Miller. one of his articles say simply that a lot of low limit players fold too much... something to think about.



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Postby Kuso » Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:46 am



this is tite.
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Postby mtx » Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:11 am

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Postby gutsh0t » Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:38 am

i usually re-raise with QQ and up, but then again..i play 6max so yeah..

but i think you could play those hands stronger, as in re-raising and if you bet the flop with an A or K on the board and someone re-raises you, then you could fold safely.

read all those articles others have mentioned before me, i still re-read those to this day after playing 25k + hands and showing a 4.23 bb/100 hands win rate playing in these micro limits of $1/$2, theres a lot of shit to learn in just those articles alone.

and like other people have said, the experience playing in these low limit games will allow you to confidently play in those higher limits.
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Postby redhouse » Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:28 am

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