Advanced search

KK in 5/5. How do you play it?

Hand analysis. Post your trouble hands here

Moderators: iceman5, LPF Police Department

KK in 5/5. How do you play it?

Postby idog519 » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:47 am

I'm finishing up my session last nite and after two buy ins of $500 I've made my way to one rack of high society ($2500). Sucked out on a guy who flopped a straight and I had a set--river, you better believe it quads-- after that I won pot after pot. I go get my rack and as the dealer is asking for time she says hey you can have this hand for free. And what do I look down and find...pocket Kings. Why I'm so lucky. After a few limpers I raise to $40. 1st position limper calls and middle position calls. Flop comes Jc 8c 5d. It goes check, check and I bet $100. 1st position raises to $100. Middle position folds. Now I have a dilemma. He minimum raised me and I have no idea where I'm at. He could have a AJ (which wouldn't be a bad check raise and is common in this game) or he could be trying to buy a free flush card. Now how do I figure out what he has you say. Well I reraise him another $300. After about 30 seconds of thinking he flat calls me. Now this scared the shit out of me. Flat calling a pot sized reraise. Hard for me to put him on a club draw after that. And if he had a set I gave him the opportunity to move all in on me so thatt I could fold. The turn is a blank and he checks. The pot is already $1000. If he was on a flush draw I probably won't be able to get him out of the hand unless I go all in (but with both of us having a deep stack that would be commmitting suicide) and I don't need the pot to get any bigger since he could have me dominated and I'm just dumping more unnecessary money in the pot and lastly I was hoping that I catch my K so I check behind him. The reason I checked was because I don't see this player calling a huge reraise on a draw like that so I know he has a strong hand. The river pairs the board and doesn't really change much except that he has no flush. Now he bets $500. The pot is $1500. What do you guys do? keep in mind your getting 3-1 on your money so you have to be atleast 75% sure that he has you beat. I can only put him on two hands AJ or a set. I also might have induced a bet from the AJ on the river by checking the turn so that might also be the case. In retrospect all the bones in my body were telling me that he had a monster, but I still called and he showed me his flopped set of 8s. Net loss in hand $1000. 10 mins earler I would have left up $1500. Boy was I kicking myself for this one. What do you guys think.

-5hrs +500
User avatar
idog519
 
Posts: 46
Joined: Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:54 am

Postby tetsuo » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:26 am

I tend to worry when I get check-raised. Unless the player is tricky, to my mind it generally means two pair or better and they want to see how 'up for it' you are. So I would've just called the $100 min-raise and hoped for a K on the turn.

I think a fair number of times he would check a good hand to you on the turn anyway hoping for you to bet, so you may well have seen the turn and the river for free, and the pot would have been a whole $600 smaller.

You may have bet or called up to the pot on the river, but it still would've been cheaper.

Is my take on this weak? I like to think I've avoided a lot of big losses by slowing down my big unimproved pairs in the face of a check-raise and hoping to hit my hand rather than reraising hoping for a fold or a big reraise escape hatch.

How can he be trying to buy a free card when you have position on him?
Image
User avatar
tetsuo
Site Admin
 
Posts: 1790
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:33 pm

Postby Suhleafs » Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:36 pm

No offence man, you have good insight and put on some decent posts, but are you nuts?!

You put the guy on AJ?
He limped first position, he called your 40 raise, he check-minraised you, then called your huge re-reraise. Did you have the king of clubs? If you did then there's almost NO way he would be on the flush draw. Otherwise, he's almost mental to be calling those size bets on AK of clubs. Then if that hand is unlikely, what other hand can you put him on? Is he the kind of player that would min-raise TPTK then call a huge re-reraise? Maybe he is, I've seen some bad players in my time, but the $300 call really has to scare you doesn't it?

Ok so it goes check check on the turn. But if you were willing to put 500 in on the river, why not bet something in the range of 400-500 on the turn? I know it's hard to know EXACTLY what you're willing to call on later streets, but if you were playing this hand as if he were only on the club draw, you have to make him pay NOW to draw at it. And if he's dumb enough to stick that much in with AJ, well you're just gonna have to show him the better hand at the end.

As for calling the 500 on the end, shocking. Honestly. His thinking had to be, that 500 or so was about the maximum he could get out of you, so that's why he bet that. He has to know that you're on Queens/Kings/Aces and that you would lay down to a bigger bet.
User avatar
Suhleafs
 
Posts: 306
Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:13 pm
Location: New Westminster, BC, Canada

Postby kennyg » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:49 am

You didn't lose your stack. Nice job.

Preflop fine.

Flop bet is great. flop reraise...wonderful.

Turn... you knew you had to slow down and make this pot smaller. Great check here.

River bet...hard to laydown. It's easier if you have the king of clubs in your hand, which you didn't state. That would eliminate [Ac][Kc]. Your check on the turn could very well ahve incudced a bluff. Right now you're beating [Ac][Qc]. You're beating AJ....any other missed flush draw or straight draw including [9c][Tc]. I don't think I'd lay it down. This kind of hand is exactly why you have a bankroll. But this is live poker...use that first instinct. It will be correct most of the time.

On the other side of things. Avoid this opponent. I love the way he played his hand. Perfect .
"I'll take KennyGs advice before Sklanskys every time. "
-Iceman

Proud contributing member of the Poker Player's Alliance.
Poker Journal:
forum/viewtopic.php?p=14017#14017
User avatar
kennyg
<b>BTP Benefactor & Tourny #1 Winner</b>
 
Posts: 6223
Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:16 pm


Return to No Limit Hold'em Cash Games

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests

cron