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Bad Play or Bad Luck?

Postby Tressemy » Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:54 pm

Final hand (for me at least) of a STT -- Where did I go wrong? Or was it just bad luck?

FYI -- At this stage of the tourney, all 3 players had been playing relatively cautiously. We had been down to 3 players for approximately 20 hands with NO big moves by anyone. HOMERJFAGAN was the most aggressive player, but was not doing anything crazy at all.

PokerStars Game #5178668451: Tournament #26049915, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: HOMERJFAGAN (4937 in chips)
Seat 3: Tressemy (4056 in chips)
Seat 9: CaptEO69 (4507 in chips)
CaptEO69: posts small blind 75
HOMERJFAGAN: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tressemy [2h] [Kh]
Tressemy: calls 150
CaptEO69: folds
HOMERJFAGAN: checks
*** FLOP *** [5h] [7c] [Qh]
HOMERJFAGAN: checks
Tressemy: bets 300
HOMERJFAGAN: raises 900 to 1200
Tressemy: calls 900
*** TURN *** [5h] [7c] [Qh] [7s]
HOMERJFAGAN: checks
Tressemy: checks
*** RIVER *** [5h] [7c] [Qh] [7s] [3h]
HOMERJFAGAN: bets 1500
Tressemy: raises 1206 to 2706 and is all-in
HOMERJFAGAN: calls 1206
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tressemy: shows [2h] [Kh] (a flush, King high)
HOMERJFAGAN: shows [7d] [Qd] (a full house, Sevens full of Queens)
HOMERJFAGAN collected 8187 from pot
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:28 pm

Raise PF or fold. Don't open-limp on the BTN ever.

I would have re-raised all-in on the flop.
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Postby Cactus Jack » Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:30 pm

ditto
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:04 pm

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby emmasdad » Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:50 pm

fourthed
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Postby low dough » Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:57 pm

As played:
On the river you have a chance to show down and be left with an M of ~4 if he is boated by just calling. Your re-raise is not an amount that would make anyone fold.
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Postby Tressemy » Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:13 am

Thanks for the replies everyone.

It seems that the play was bad on my part. I am curious about Escape Plan's suggested re-raise on the flop. I understand that the re-raise gives me some fold equity, but my hand at that point consisted of K high with a flush draw. Had I re-raised, I would have faced an instant push by the villain who was sitting on top 2 pair at that point.

My question is whether the possible fold equity inherent to a re-raise is that much better (more valuable) than a call and the hope that I might see a heart on the next card? If the turn doesn't show a heart, I can get out of the hand if I face a substantial bet. If there is no bet on the turn, then I can see the river free. Why isn't this the preferred play here?

Low Dough - you make a great point. In retrospect, I should have called on the river to leave myself an escape route. Not only did the full house beat me, I was vulnerable to an Ace high flush as well. But honestly, at that point, I thought I had the best hand by a mile. I figured the guy for a pair of Queens and some kicker. My raise wasn't meant to force him out of the hand; rather, I was just trying to get all of my money in the middle with what I (mistakenly) believed was the best hand.

Again, thanks for the feedback everyone.
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:24 am

When I say re-raise on the flop, I mean all-in. He could be raising here with a lot more hands than 2-pr, especially since you said he was aggressive. You're right, he won't fold 2-pr there, but he likely will fold single-pr. Because of the pot size on the flop, any raise you make commits you. You have an overcard and flush draw. When you're battling 3-way you are going to be involved in many more marginal situations than usual. Push it when you have good hands and draws.
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Postby RuiCosta » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:50 am

Also I can see warning signs here...

The reraise on the flop and then check on a paired turn absolutely screams monster at the lower level SnGs...The just to add to the warnings he bets into a flush board on the river...I think I would have just called the river bet...that said it would have left you crippled so you would have to decide if you dont re-raise and lose if you can battle back from short stack.

Not sure I would reraise all in on the flop here either (again at these lower levels, higher levels against people who fold this is a viable play although I would prefer to do it with the Nut flush draw and 2 overs), In my experience anyone who has reraised is NEVER laying down his hand in a $5 SnG. And it is very unlikely you are favorite when he calls.

Oh and I agree pre flop this is a raise or fold situation.
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Postby Cactus Jack » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:18 am

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Postby Bethep » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:33 am

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:41 am

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby Tressemy » Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:44 am

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