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Wuss or Warrior ?

Poll ended at Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:29 pm

1. Wuss (make the call you wuss)
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2. Warrior (lived to fight another hand)
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Total votes : 7

I laid down AA on the flop

Postby Sunbob » Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:29 pm

I just want to know if people think I was a wuss on this hand or if you agree with my play.

Villian was a decent player. He had made some good position bets and knew what he was doing. This could very well have been a bluff. On the other hand I had not seen him do anything really crazy.

Yes, you can argue I should have bet out on the flop or raised more preflop. I think both arguments would be right but given that I didn't - What do people think?


Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed)

CO =#A500AF(villian)/ (t2350)
Button (t3535)
Hero (t1785)
BB (t1585)
UTG (t4495)
MP (t1250)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [Ad], [Ac].
1 fold, CO =#A500AF(villian)/ raises to t300, Button calls t300, Hero raises to t650, 1 fold, CO =#A500AF(villian)/ calls t350, Button folds.

Flop: (t1700) [8s], [Kh], [Kc] (3 players)
Hero checks, villian bets t1700 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: t3400
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:30 am

Given the way you played it, terrible fold on the flop. I would say there's less than a 10% chance he has a K here.

Definitely raise more pre-flop. You have a raiser and a caller, you absolutely have to raise more than 2x. Raise it up to at least 850. You're very lucky the big-stack BTN was stupid enough to fold to one extra raise in that huge pot.

Checking the flop isn't horrible if you intend to trap them. In this situation, you are WAY ahead over 80% of the time. But then you check... and fold? Either bet out all-in or check and call the all-in.

Even when you raised such a small amount pre-flop, you still put in nearly half your stack. Now the pot size is even larger than the remainder of your stack. There is no way I would fold AA here.
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Postby Cactus Jack » Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:21 am

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Postby EscapePlan9 » Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:48 am

I really do not see how you can put him precisely on AK here. There's so many other hands he could have here, especially considering there's already two kings on the flop, you hold two of the aces, and it's only 6-handed.
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Postby Sunbob » Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:07 pm

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Postby Cactus Jack » Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:44 am

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Postby EscapePlan9 » Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:53 am

I can't really put him exactly on AK, but this is one of the few hands that people play exactly this way.

People will push their trip Kings when someone checked? Not on this flop! KK8 rainbow.

He may have AA or KK

Oh come on. AA he almost NEVER will have here since Bob has AA as well. Same case with KK since there's KK on the flop.

.He may have a lot of othe r hands

He almost certainly has some other hands than AK here.

The percentage of the time he has AK is too high.

You do realize SunBob has AA, it's 6-handed, there's KK on the flop, he didn't push PF, but puts you all-in on a KK8 rainbow flop, right? All of that does not add up to "a high percentage of the time" having AK.

This is not a time to be weak-tight. You're down to 6-handed, approaching the bubble, and have a +90% chance of doubling up here. TAKE IT! This is akin to folding AA pre-flop out of fear he holds AK and will outdraw you 10% of the time.
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Postby Cactus Jack » Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:47 am

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Postby Jewelcard » Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:04 am

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I agree with going with your gut. There have been numerous times when I either called a bet when I shouldn't have or folded a big hand because my gut told me too. And more time than not I made the right play. Sometimes you need a sixth sense when it comes to poker.
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Postby Juskimo » Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:44 am

I kinda feel like 8s are a possibility with the passive flop play. If he had Ak or KK I would think that he would reraise you pre-flop. I just feel like the flop call means he is not in love with the hand.

And if he has AK and you have AA, doesnt it mean that you have 1 out. If Im not mistaken, if you hit the case ace, you will have a bigger boat.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:00 pm

I agree with EP9 here. There's just too much of a probability that he's holding 99 - QQ or A8 here to fold.
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Postby Cactus Jack » Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:37 am

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Postby CybrPunk » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:53 am

First off, preflop you should be pushing allin with this action ahead of you and your stack. You're about to commit half your stack to the pot with the best starting hand in the game and the only flop that could scare you off happened to hit here. This is a classic example of WHY you push preflop in this situation. Your raise is way too small and you're giving your opponents great pot odds to call with marginal holdings and suckout on you.

There are 4 ways left to deal AK in the deck and you can't possibly put villain on that small of a range. You'll defnitely run into 99-QQ more often than AK here, but you still are succeptible to other hands with a K like KT-KQ. There aren't many other hands I could see villain playing this way preflop, and had you reraised allin then you are probably able to safely eliminate KJ and KT from the calling range facing a reraise. Of course, you could be facing a donk that would call with those cards but if he does make that call preflop you're loving it (until the flop hits, but that's entirely another story).
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Postby Cactus Jack » Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:06 am

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