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Your VP$IP Should Resemble This If You're Playing Right

Postby EscapePlan9 » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:34 am

BLINDS ------------- VP$IP
10/20, 15/30...........10%
50/100, 75/150...... 20%
100/200..................30%
200/400..................40%
300/600..................45%
400/800..................50%
600/1200............... 80%

This was from PS $15+1 and $27+2 turbos. You start with 1500 chips there, so it won't be the same for PP and the likes.

edit: To clarify, I am not saying each time you play a SNG your VP$IP should be around here. I am saying that on average your VP$IP should begin low and gradually increase. My stats were merely an example.
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Postby Cardman » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:46 am

I do agree but number of opponents left and stack sizes rule in these formats....depending on being short,mid,or monster stack is a HUGE factor in this....

but again, generally speaking, I do agree with these percents
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:16 pm

The main idea is you should gradually loosen up each level and start off extremely tight. I've looked at the stats of losing players in SNGs and they either start loose and then tighten up as the levels increase, or they stay tight the entire SNG (they're more like the break-even players than losing players).
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Postby flafishy » Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:20 pm

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Postby EscapePlan9 » Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:35 pm

I apologize for the confusion. I've re-edited the post. I never meant this to mean "your VP$IP should be around x% at y blinds". I only meant that on average your VP$IP should be following this trend - tighter earlier and looser later. In some games of course this will differ, but over the long run, your numbers should be gradually increasing along with the blinds.
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Postby Cactus Jack » Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:32 am

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Postby Juskimo » Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:44 am

(preface this by noting that my sample size is very small)

I've been playing some 2 table turbos (low limit, still playing on the MVP $5, blah blah) on stars lately and I have noticed that I run into situations where, if I'm down early, it is much more profitable to open up in the first few rounds and try and outplay people post flop before the blinds (which are coming quick) than sit and wait for the monsters. It also has the effect of getting me paid off much more if the stack recovers and I make it deeper in the tourney, when I tend to start playing more conservatively as there is more time before the bubble than at the 1 table SNGs. People remember the gambling and making looser calls and forget the tight start.

Ive started trying this in the non-turbo tourneys and I kinda like it. But it is much more dangerous than gradually opening up. It requires the ability to read iffy hands (2nd pair, A high rag boards), lay them down AND a table where people are tight/weak or good enough to lay hands down. I think a lot of people dont get this when they start to open up. If you are at a table where people will call down Jacks on an AK4 board on a consistent basis, it does not work. I suppose I run into this more often at the lower levels, where people get stuck looking at the cards in front of them.

Re-reading CJ's post, I probably duplicated 50% of what he just said. But I think that the ability to read whether or not this will work AT that particular table is hugely undervalued (and people with more experience take for granted). Sometimes you just cant outplay people.

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